"Conservative that doesn't agree with MAGA"

The Matt Dearden convo was just as vapid and useless as any other 'debate' Destiny had with Shapiro or anybody else.

He pulls the same bullshit playbook by saying he's not here to defend Trump and that both candidates were bad. He then proceeds to defend, downplay, or otherwise deflect all specific data-driven criticism while appealing to vague and general feelings-based criticisms of Kamala.

Here is a brief, summary:

Here are real things that Trump has done that are bad.
“Well, Kamala was gonna be worse because of no real policies and woke!”

Ok, here are things Kamala was saying she was gonna do that, by objective measures, are better than what Trump is doing.
“Well, Kamala was just all status quo stuff and nothing was really gonna change.”

Ok, was the status quo so bad? Here are a bunch of things Biden did that, by objective measures, were really good. “Well, I’m not familiar enough with those things to know. But I don’t think Trump is against those things.”

Yeah, but Trump has said he is specifically against all of these things. “Well, he says stuff for the theater of it. I actually think policy-wise he will come around.”

The amount of willful ignorance when he was speaking about Doge was incredible. This guy can’t fathom how to cut government bloat without Musk, yet Bill Fucking Clinton balanced the goddamned budget in conjunction with a Republican congress! What a fucking tool.